"The Practical Matter Is...
he is trying to grandfather in protections for illegal actions already undertaken. No grace, no substance, no intelligence - it is shocking that we have him as our president." - Lisa SimpsonOlbermann: Bush's 'rush' to redefine Geneva Conventions may be mostly about 'covering his own backside'
Matt Lauer: “I don’t want to let this 'within the law issue' slip though. I mean, if, in fact, there was water boarding used with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and for the viewers, that’s basically when you strap someone to a board and you make them feel as if they’re going to drown by putting them underwater, if that was legal and within the law, why couldn’t you do it at Guantanamo? Why did you have to go to a secret location around the world?”
President Bush: “I’m not going to talk about techniques. And, I’m not going explain to the enemy what we’re doing. All I’m telling you is that you’ve asked me whether or not we’re doing things to protect the American people, and I want the American people to know we are doing so.”
What's all the fuss? I would love to use "waterboarding" on Karl and Jack.
posted by Patrick J. Fitzgerald at 9/17/2006
31 Comments:
Hey Fitz,
I heard a good one today from another pros-re my complaints of the leak inv snails pace (in my opinion :-)
"When you go to kill the king, the sword must be extra sharp"
My patience level just increased
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Where's GEF?
We just made alot of money insuring government "professionals" with a new and very expensive "Torture, Rape & Pillage Policy."
JSNTF:
He should be charged with war crimes...along with a few others!!
T:
I'm surprised there aren't more ppl there @ camp!
Funny geico...PS Elizabeth del la Vega was excellent. Got some new legal tactic ideas
When Dubya says CYA, he's not saying C-Ya. Surely if he legalizes his illegal behavior the people will rise against them.
S-Q Much better today. There is a big crowd here now, buses coming in too :-)
T,
I dun told ya about gerbil covering his beehind...
He's in a blind hurry before the end of October...
I'm expecting that the gerbil may use another "CATALYZING" event to change the outcome of the NOV elections..
He's as obvious as a plain bagel..
hee hee hee!
T:
Good that more buses are arriving! :) Are you guys passing out fliers/info pkts to John & Jane Doe??
Olbermann must be psychic! ;)
VIDEO: Check out Olbermann's Report!
I'd put an agent around just to protect his life..!
Patience is the virtue of catching all the criminal elements involved
in trying to hyjack our country and it's constitution..
Ghange in power in NOV. will ensure getting them all even the bums that will be thrown out...
just be patient...
Hi GEF
Funny :-)
He's as obvious as a plain bagel..and you did dun telled me!
I wonder if this case will happen before the election...prosecutors should consider timing irrelavent!
Do they put off charging a business man because its Christmas season or a thief that has a child no one else can take care of? NO, they don't ;-)
S-Q some people are, yours truly is doing an interview for a grad students dissertation
KO definately should be supported in every way possible, I'm gonna watch that
Good for Olbermann for telling it like it is. of course, the Gerbil is covering his ass. But, whatever agenda that the Gerbil needed to get done, his behavior towards the reporters showed it. His own party is turning on him and his base is falling apart.
"I'd put an agent around just to protect his life..!"
No, GEF! Olbermann is not psychic. He is one of the few journalists are not afraid to speak the truth and put his career on the line to speak the truth about the Administration. Just like the people that signed the Declaration of Independence put their life on the line for all of us to have the freedoms in this country. I wish more people and journalists have the guts to speak out against the President and want a change in this country. As Alexander Hamilton said as paraphrase:
"Most people stand for nothing and fall for everything."
You have to stand for something in this country. Only the few people who separate themselves from the masses who will make a difference in this country. and Olbermann is one of them.
E:
I agree with you with patience.
SBP, I think GEF was referring to an agent for protection-not surveillence?
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McCain, a prisoner of war during the Vietnam conflict, also said a compromise was possible.
"I believe we can sit down, we can work this out, preserve our Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions," he said on ABC.
McCain said the United States must hold the "moral high ground" on this issue. "This has nothing to do with al Qaeda. It has everything to do with America."
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Just say NO to compromising Geneva!
Someone is trying to get myself and a military wife a gig to testify about this issue when its "debated"
Her grad work is in Middle East relations
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Now some of these young uns are going to go do a "die in" that appears to be a new protest technique.
T, Biloxi,
Yep, I was talking about protecting Olbermanns life. Once you commit a revolutionary act by telling the truth about the gerbil you tend to dissappear...
The gerbil family is extremely dangerous...as well as Treasonous..
Just ask geronimo's bones...
At this point the founding fathers bones are rotating in high gear at the raw plain sight subversion of all that our country stood for.
Our Founding Fathers knew that Freedom was more important than security...
Somebody tell the gerbil he's done for..
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Commentary:
To those Idiots that say that you can't have Freedom if you're dead I say:
"You're gonna die anyway so you might as well be FREE!"
This is what our American Founding Fathers fought the Brits about and from 1776 to 1913 we were Free..
Now we're just debtor slaves who are being led to the slaughter by bad shepherds..
"SBP, I think GEF was referring to an agent for protection-not surveillence?"
T:
His comments were really cleared to me. But, thanks for the clarification.. Alot of people are appauding Olbermann for his guts while others condemn him for speaking on. I believe this will be fight with the GOP for the next two months to try to silence people for speaking out.
As far as McCain, yes he was a prisoner of war, served his country, and has the background and experience to understand torture and the Geneva conventions. But, we shall see if McCain does carry through his high standards of miltary experiences to defy the Gerbil. He, too, is trying to run as President of 2008. And McCain has been flip flop these days with his dealings with the Gerbil.. Wesley Clark and John Murtha have stood their grounds and defied the Gerbil's policies. But, Powell's speaking out and a good sign and turning corner against the Gerbil....
"The gerbil family is extremely dangerous...as well as Treasonous.."
GEF:
Yes, I know that the Gerbil family is dangerous. Just as dangerous as the Gambino family.. The Bush cajones have a huge investment riding in the Gerbil's Presidency.. But, let's not talk about just Olbermann or any jourmalists speaking out. Let's talk about Congress for a moment.
The Gerbil needs Congress to pass his bills and his hidden agenda. Some of them are not going for the Gerbil's agenda. Don't be surprised if their aren't threats to their families and the Senators. So, as you said, the Gerbil family are dangerous. But, they will not let anyone and anything stop them from thier hidden agenda.
BTW, thanks for your clarification.
Biloxi,
Yep, Congress is vital for the CFR globalist evildoing to continue on schedule...
Somebody tell the gerbil he's done for..
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GEF:
I'll tell him! I'm not afraid to stand up for what I believe in!
P.S. I've lived a good life! LOL!!
GEF:
Here is another journalist who is being attack besides Olbermann:
David Corn Denies Outing Valerie Plame Wilson
Lawyer and pundit Victoria Toensing has gone on the attack, accusing journalist David Corn of being the first to out Valerie Plame Wilson as a covert employee of the CIA. Corn denies it.
Here is Corn's original article from July 16, 2003.
Did senior Bush officials blow to cover of a US intelligence officer working covertly in a field of vital importance to national security--and break the law--in order to strike at a Bush administration critic and intimidate others?
It sure looks that way, if conservative journalist Bob Novak can be trusted.
As to Toensing, with whom Corn says he has been friendly in the past, he writes:
Toensing is flat-out wrong--sloppy wrong. Any intelligent lawyer who bothered to peruse the piece I wrote could discern that I was engaging in a thought exercise, not an act of disclosure. Besides, how can you out a CIA operative who has already been identified as a CIA operative in newspapers across the country?
Why would Toensing disregard the obvious? That's for her to explain. But I do hope she is more careful with evidence when it comes to her legal work. And I'm sorry that we will likely not be enjoying each other's company any time soon.
Folks,
In the news:
From Thinkprogress:
Senate To Investigate Administration Coercion of Military Lawyers »
Last week, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) alleged that the U.S. military’s top uniformed lawyers were pressured by the administration for more than five hours to “sign a prepared statement” supporting the President’s proposal for military tribunals. Today on CBS’s Face The Nation, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) announced that he plans to hold a hearing investigating the incident.
I wouldn't hold my breath on the windbag Specter doing anything.
From Thinkprogress:
Rumsfeld Unveils New Justification For Iraq War: High Gas Prices
Now, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has introduced a new rationale for the invasion of Iraq, high gas prices.
SECRETARY RUMSFELD: The fact of the matter is - if Saddam Hussein were still in power in Iraq, he would be rolling in petrol dollars. Think of the price of oil today. He would have so much money
Get thy Rummy to thy nursing home. Now, the high rise of gas prises is because of Iraq?
Victoria Toensing was on The Situation Room last Winter when the NSA story broke defending the Bush Administration. This Bush Scab has no credibility! She is a disgrace.
SPB,
I wouldn't hold my breath on the windbag Specter doing anything.
Me neither!!! What the heck is wrong with those JAGS too? I would sit there all night before I'd sign for the gerbil.
I'm getting lot's of good ideas from attorneys here;-) Met a friend of McCains-told him let him know he better not back down! He doesn't think he will, but like Spector don't hold your breath.
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Senator Allen was on Tim Russett this morning. From crooks and liars:
Mike Legra:
Timmeh really had Senator Allen squirming this morning over his racist tendencies. Not only did Allen call a dark-skinned Webb campaigner "macaca" — even though he just "made up" the word and didn’t know it’s considered a racist slur — and opposed a Martin Luther King Jr. holiday as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates in 1984, but Russert calls him out on an AP article citing how he "used to keep a confederate flag in his living room, a noose in his law office and a picture of confederate troops in his governors office." Politics and "confederate pride" aside, how do you explain keeping a noose in your office?
That symbolizes nothing other than oppression and hatred towards African-Americans.
Let's not forget other minorities too.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/17/allen-just-made-up-the-word-macaca/
On a foot note: Allen never served in the military either.
SPB:
You should have seen Allen's face after Russert said that & after the video clip of Allen saying those words about "macaca"!! LOL It was priceless!
Allen said he made up the word "macaca"...does he really think people will believe that BS? What an idiot! LOL
U.S. holds AP photographer in Iraq 5 mos
The U.S. military in Iraq has imprisoned an Associated Press photographer for five months, accusing him of being a security threat but never filing charges or permitting a public hearing.
fitz must laugh really hard at all of us. See Wayne Madsen column today.
For anyone who is interesting Bush has to get the torture bill passed at any cost. If he doesn't our CIA agents who took prisoners to secret prisons and tortured them will be charged with those crimes by the UN. All the agents have life insurance policies and lawyers. Their lawyers told them to tell the truth that they were given orders by the Commander-in-Chief. Thereby George W. Bush will be charged with war crimes. The UN has all the facts from the other countries that cooperated with Bush.
SPB "..But, they will not let anyone and anything stop them from thier hidden agenda."
- Apparently they (the "Gerbil" family) are not serving the American people. Who do they report to and take orders from?
"Who do they report to and take orders from?"
Answer: the Saudias
You know that the Gerbil family has to suck up to the Saudias. The Gerbil family aqhs billions and billions of dollars invsted with the Saudias. And the Saudias have money riding on the Gerbil family. All of the pinky finger kissing tells you. The Gerbil family has always ran their investments like a corporate business. And the Gerbil's presidency was only for oil and profits.. Watch in November of shakeups of business deals with certain corporate businesses internationally and in the U.S. and oil companies execs.
Thanks SPB - The Saudias. I was wondering if that's where it stops...
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