Crime Does Not Pay Or Give Refunds...
'Show me the money!' - 'Talk to the hand!'COLUMBIA, Mo. -- Seven years after donating $1.1 million in Enron stock to his alma mater and with little to show for the gift, company founder Kenneth Lay asked the University of Missouri to steer the unspent money to Hurricane Katrina relief.
The school rejected the request, according to records obtained Monday by The Associated Press. By February, a Lay attorney was asking the school to return the money so Lay could pay legal bills stemming from the fraud and conspiracy case against him. The school again turned him down. [more]
Labels: Enron
posted by Patrick J. Fitzgerald at 5/23/2006
72 Comments:
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't believe what I am reading here. Lying Lay's "attorney was asking the school to return the money so Lay could pay legal bills stemming from the fraud and conspiracy case against him." Now, that is lower than dirt.. I certainly would tell Elmer J. Lay to talk to the hand! He certainly have nerve to ask the college to forwarding that money for his legal bills when Lay was living off the hog pimping the company, investors, and employees in millions.. Personally, if I were the college, I would hand Lay a tin cup and a sign to hold up that says: "can you spare a dime for the smartest guys in the Enron room?" and get the legal fees and dough the best way that he can...
More on the Enron Trial. This is about Lay's second trial. From WSJ, the spotlight is on U.S. assistant attorney, John Hueston:
Here is an excerpt:
Enron Founder Ken Lay Spars
With Prosecutor in Second Trial
Associated Press
May 23, 2006 4:02 p.m
HOUSTON -- Sparring again with prosecutor John Hueston, Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay insisted he was not trying to do anything improper when he failed to comply with federal rules covering the use of bank loans by buying stocks with the money.
"Mr. Hueston, I know you find this very strange, but Regulation U was not something I carried around with me all the time," Mr. Lay said, referring to a Depression-era federal law at issue in his bank fraud case. "The regulation is not something I carried around in my hip pocket."
"Prosecutors in Mr. Lay's other trial allege that,beginning in 1999, Mr. Lay obtained $75 million in loans from three banks -- Bank of America, Chase Bank of Texas and Compass Bank -- and then reneged on an agreement with the lenders that he wouldn't use the money to carry or buy stock or mutual funds. The federal rules governing use of loans for stock sales were covered in documents Mr. Lay signed.
His personal banker testified earlier that the rules were spelled out to Mr. Lay."
And exchange between Hueston and Lay:
"Mr. Hueston reminded Mr. Lay: "You were the one calling the shots."
"I'm not trying to shift responsibility," Mr. Lay replied.
The prosecutor also told Mr. Lay that banks gave him tens of millions of dollars, "relying on your personal representations as a precondition."
"We clearly made mistakes here," Mr. Lay responded. "We clearly were in noncompliance. And I'm sorry about that," he said, adding: "I can't go back and undo it. But there never was any intent to defraud or mislead anyone."
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This is an interesting article from Talkleft.com. Jason Leopold is always a step ahead of his reporting than the rest of the media:
Here is an excerpt:
Tuesday :: May 23, 2006
Robert Grenier as a Witness in Libby Trial
"The New York Daily News is reporting that former CIA official Robert Grenier has been disclosed in pleadings by Team Libby to be the unnamed CIA official who allegedly told Libby on June 10 that Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame Wilson,worked for the C.I.A. and had a role in sending her husband to Niger to check on the uranium claim.
Unless I'm missing something, this news is two months old. The first such pleading was filed on March 17. The latest was May 12. Both have been previously reported on.
Jason Leopold reported this on March 18."
It is interesting that New York Daily News report Robert Granier as the witness yet Jason reported this same person in March. Yup, this news is old..
Now who is Robert Granier?
Robert Grenier was a longtime CIA officer and top official in charge of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center. Grenier was fired from the CIA on 6 February 2006 by CIA director Porter Goss. The London Sunday Times reported that Grenier lost his job with the CIA "because he opposed detaining Al-Qaeda suspects in secret prisons abroad, sending them to other countries for interrogation and using forms of torture such as 'water boarding'."
Bad news, folks! Hayden is in. From Thinkprogress:
"Hayden approved 12-3 by Senate Intel Committee to replace Porter Goss as CIA Director. Sens. Russ Feingold (D-WI), Evan Bayh (D-IN), and Ron Wyden (D-OR) opposed the nomination. “If the Senate approves him before Memorial Day, as expected, Hayden could be sworn in by the end of the week.”
Well, folks, you know who opposed Hayden's nomination.. Make sure you make a statement come November!!
I just discovered the story,"Lemme mob style murder" and I live in Florida....Gov Jeb sure kept that QUIET...as for the election B/S, I'd like to see their Heads on Pikes!
RE: Plot Thickens
Hey, what happened to that Ireland link from yesterday?
From Fitz's cousin?
Indictment for William Jefferson coming soon:
ABC: Jefferson Indictment Expected In June
By Justin Rood - May 23, 2006, 5:17 PM
"A grand jury is expected to return a formal indictment of Rep. William "Dollar Bill" Jefferson (D-LA) in four to six weeks, ABC News reports."
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/
Signing off for the evening. Very busy evening ahead of me...
Yeah ah huh, someone's really slow still I take it. *Yawn*
The article regarding Ireland, was taken off of this website entirely.
It was done because really, Fitzgerald's office is tired of getting calls about this blog.
This blog was meant as nothing more than a secret place to simply relax, pass the time, and onward.
Instead some various people, including Clarice, who I will not say are neocons since no one knows either way-decided to turn this into a spitball war.
As we already were well aware, neocons have attacked this place since its inception. But this was different.
This person seemed to have real difficulty getting the message, and even a bizarre type of vendetta. (Anger management medication perhaps?)
So she and her friend drove everyone up the wall, making it a better time than any to remove anything of Fitzgerald's cousin or anyone's personal life.
Technically all of that is pretty off subject and private information, and with the kind of prying eyes here...nobody really wanted to see it go all over the globe.
Thanks to the trouble these past few days, anything of personal nature has been removed and various other rules have been established.
Hi All: I am a political researcher and way too serious for my own good at times, however this is one time a series of events is too serious for even me. Please take a moment and read the latest entry of my blog, your safety might well depend on it as will mine. Persons unknown have another 9/11 event coming up perhaps soon and are well equiped. If you have questions, leave a comment. Fran
http://beating-the-bush.blogspot.com/
"This blog was meant as nothing more than a secret place to simply relax, pass the time, and onward."
Secret place ???? At least one of your fellow bloggers was using this site as a reference on another internet site and posted the link otherwise I would never have known about it.
I was abused and disrespected from the first time I posted on this blog.
So cry me a River. I'm told that this is Patrick Fitzgerald's blog by some here but no one will admit to it at Mr. Fitzgeral's office. I just want the facts and an understanding of why Mr. Fitzgerald would tolerate threats and intimidation just because a person like me holds a differing opinion than most that post here.
I think the young people call this a do over. Once you give it you want it back. He should have put some of the money he spent thousands of dollars as Eron was going down hill. Well at lease he has the houses in Texas he can sell. Matter yet Ken Lay should ask for of his supporters to cover his legal cost.
Cease and desist your wrongful appropriation of Mr. Fitzgerald's identity ASAP or face legal consequences. Fair warning.
(from Pink Floyd)
.... is anybody out there?
What is this "Cease and desist" shite?
Cease & desist notices will not be tolerated just so you know.
If you can not see the writing on the wall please do so.
They want to receive no more calls, threats, nor anything else relating to this blog.
For that reason alone, any information the prosecutor had up here which was private has been taken down.
Out the door, nod your heads and nobody will close these topics until you disperse.
This is getting pretty ominous...
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I plan on calling again until I get the truth. You have SPB swearing this is Fritz's blog yet you call the office of Fitzgerald and they say no or no comment. I want a better explantion as to why MR. Fitzgerald would allow this blog to perpetrate a fraud using his name and allowing someone to impersonate him.
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Anonymous @ 10:09,
Why are you angry? I'm the only one I know on here that is really who they say they are... so why don't you talk to me?
Jan, I'm not mad. I'm calm cool and collected. There are bloggers here that make fun over something I know is a farse yet they continue to tell me what a chuckle everyone got yesterday when I called Mr. Fitzgerald's office. I was on speaker phone with Mr. Fitzgerald and they all chuckled. Can you just get a mental picture in your mind for that one?
Well then, here's my nod as I disperse.
Some free country this is :(
I get the picture, you aren't "getting it: Share info. Post a link to relevant new story. Ask opinions.
He who laughs last, laughs the loudest.
I think you are mad because you are "hurting" something I enjoy. I'm not saying that in a mean way- I just feel like you are being mean to me.
"I was on speaker phone with Mr. Fitzgerald and they all chuckled."
That's right, they were laughing at the fact you take the world so seriously.
Instead of being such a painful eyesore, why don't you simply go ahead and believe what you like about this blog and then leave.
After all, its up to you. Only the true believers know what is up with this blog.
And they are nothing more than inside the circle, so they are allowed to know all about this blog. Including Jackie, of course, and the other one bluewild.
Biloxi is a practicing attorney. Paralegal secretaries know nothing about what really goes on here.
The choice is up to you, but basically we already made ours. Time is ticking now.
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The Legal Bar,
Thanks, but stop. You're not helping.
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I don't find the disrespectful nature of bloggers here to be funny. It just seems to be one big conspiracy to try and bring down the current administration. Everyone is assumed guilty and the faithful here don't care how, they just want their guilty verdicts. Whatever happened to the principles of "innocent until proven guilty"? This is the most angry "doom and gloom" bunch of people I think I may have ever encountered in my life. If this is really Mr. Fitzgerald's blog then I will pray for him tonight.
Anonymous @ 10:18,
That's the thing see. If I turn out to be right... and I mean "right about how I think things "really" R in OUR country... I will not laugh. This is not about a win for me. It's about the state of my country. I love my country.
I agree. But in my view, things look pretty bad. Anonymous, do listen to Rush? I do. I have worked with Repub's for a long time and every day he is on I get to here his side of things. And, every day it's like he's spitting fire at me just for being who I am. I here him, but I do not call him. Why? Because he would insult me to high heaven. If you feel so bad here, then why are you here? Because this is not what you think it is.
Just listen to Jan for once.
Nobody is doom & gloom, we just don't appreciate outsiders and we know how many people are really friend or foe.
We're open to other ideas, but not open to defenders of neocons or other laughable ideals.
I suppose you could call us a collective, and that we get along with those who understand.
I think you've figured out enough for one day. I will let the moderators deal with this themselves.
Jan, I love it here but now I'm off to bed. I love uncovering and unmasking those that like to deceive. Plus I was invited here. Later.
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Legal, I guess everyone is welcome here that agrees with the rest of the sheep.
The Legal Bar,
Well, then... I think I will go then. I am clearly an "outsider".
Jan, I certainly didn't mean you at all. It is not meant to single anyone in particular out.
It is just simply a fact of how things normally work around here.
Farewell for now.
http://www.israelnn.com/author.php?id=16
http://www.israelnn.com/author.php?id=16
To the President of the United States by Elyakim Haetzni
The Legal Bar,
I'm sorry, you said:
"Just listen to Jan for once."
I read
"Just listen Jan for once"
See, I'm used to hearing the later. :)
Thank you for saying that. Sorry I read it wrong. That's the problem with me, I think everyone has noticed, I'm lysdesic. :/
The Legal Bar-- Thanks for letting me know that this is reel. But, please, I am Don de Drain, not down the drain.
You know, I get abused and disrespected on a regular basis. Mostly by judges, mind you, so I suppose you could say I'm getting paid for the abuse and disrespect. But even when the abuse and disrespect is pro bono, I do my best to act in professional manner. I don't try to "get even" and don't worry about getting the "last laugh." I make the points I want to make in a professional manner, and then go swim off the frustration. Being human, once in a while I slip off the wagon, get a bee in my bonnett and rush off to avenge the "injustice" that has been done to me. And every time I do that I get into trouble.
Gotta really laugh about Kenny Boy's efforts to get back his charitable contribution to pay his legal fees. Think he would remember to report the refund from the charity as income on his tax return if he got it back [assuming he deducted the contribution in the year he made it]? Doubt it very much. Hey, then they could prosecute him for tax fraud!
And how about Hueston? He really can go over the top sometimes. A very bright, aggressive and ambitious federal prosecutor, not particularly known for his finesse. But he's one prosecutor I'd put my money on almost every time.
Which brings me to PJF. I'll put my money on him, every time. Can't wait for the real show to start.
(Jan: I'm ignored also.)
To All: I posted a warning earlier that everyone (even Fitz) needs to follow up on It has important info you all need to know. God Bless America and all of you and those you love.-fran
http://beating-the-bush.blogspot.com/
PS: Some of the material was posted here a few weeks ago, but it has been updated with some major events. Also some is from Homeland security memos sent out to the public.
Don de Drain,
"Gotta really laugh about Kenny Boy's efforts to get back his charitable contribution to pay his legal fees. Think he would remember to report the refund from the charity as income on his tax return if he got it back [assuming he deducted the contribution in the year he made it]? Doubt it very much. Hey, then they could prosecute him for tax fraud!"
Wow, that's such a cool point!
Rfan, :)
I will go look.
Fran,
On your blog you state:
"5-22-06. American defense officials have secretly requested a "prodigious quantity" of ammunition from Russia to supply the Afghan army in case a Democrat president takes over in Washington and pulls out US troops."
Where are links or refer's to this? You just state it but nothing else.
Fran,
You say lotsa scary stuff on your blog. But, nothing to back it up? Why
Wow, Fran...
I looked at your blog, I would hope someone is tracking all this and doesn't say they had no clue when something happens. Those two neocons you mentioned ought to have been locked up long ago with their buddies.
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/html/ Try the link "Diagnosis: Psychic Epidemic" Takes some time to read, an open mind, a willingness to look within, along with a strong dose of humility, but offers a perspective on what is happening to us as a species that might help us find our way out of this madness before we destroy ourselves. Virulent hatred, greed, the desire to control, crush and subjugate spirit, will destroy the world if we don't wake up. Stopping the current manifestations of the ego sickness threatening the world (Enron, our current government, unchecked capitalistic global expansion, environmental destruction, terrorism....)is one part of the work on our plates at this time. I hope this does not seem like too bizarre a posting, but the sickness seems to have found its way here. The measures necessary to contain it will diminish the vibrancy, the humanness that has contributed to the uniqueness of this blog. And I certainly agree w/Charles' posting at 7:01.
http://youtube.com/watch
?v=HucfMImYpA4&search=the
%20flower%20duet
Thank you Fran
How many here have seen the movie Brazil? Life is way too imitating art...
Thank you Fran. I have read through a number of the articles you referenced, but not all. And I've tried to contact some news outlets, with my novice efforts to connect these dots. Afraid I more likely came across as some tin foil hat conspiracy type (but that doesn't mean there isn't a conspiracy does it?) I'll be spending some time on your blog, reading and thanks for the links.
Fran,
Yes, I've been trying to read Waynes site daily. I found it here. Thanks for all the extra info... I wonder what will come uf all this. No one "out there" want's to talk about such things, very frustrating. They do start to fit you for "the tin hat" if you do. Most frustrating is no one really talking about three buildings coming down like they did. I want a "town meeting about that- out in the puplic, every where.
What happened to Kathleen? She was talking about all that.
jan: I told you the ammo link was on Waynes site when it was on this one (and others)Waynes has the missing rifles info.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13144.htm
Sorry
Oh... I heard about the missing guns. Funny, it's not BIG news. I don't blame people for wanting to ingnore... they just don't know what to do. I don't. Funny too that it took Steven Colbert to give people the feeling that "hey!, This ain't all good and I want to say it". But now what? Well, I think "that what" can't happen until Fitzmas comes. Then...
With that I must retire. Night all
I bet when Mr. Fitz started working on this Plame case, the flood gates opened with whistleblowers and such...people wanting to help. At least, I would like to think so.
Now, if I understand correctly..if the dots connect to information found along the way, he can look into that, too?
What about arms running or drugs smuggling?
bad voting, murder to cover it up, money laundering?
Ok :) one last blog,
I found this on this:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index
.php?title=Treasongate:_Beyond_
Karl_Rove
"Fitzgerald may be looking at a broader conspiracy case of pre-war machinations by the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) and by the Pentagon’s ultra-secret Office of Net Assessment, the former operating out of Dick Cheney’s office and tasked with 'selling' the war in Iraq, and the latter operating out of Defense Under Secretary for Policy, Douglas Feith’s office and tasked with creating a war to 'sell,' as some describe," Larisa Alexandrovna and Jason Leopold wrote (http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheney_aide_cooperating_with_CIA_outing_1018.html) in The Raw Story October 18, 2005.
Cheney Out? Condi In?
This Cap't May, I have read some of his postings, been on his site.
Who is Tim White, is he bad?
Another day in the neighborhood and on the Faux Fitz Blog. The beat goes on.
Hayden nomination moves to full Senate
The Senate Intelligence Committee voted 12-3 Tuesday in favor of Gen. Michael Hayden to lead the Central Intelligence Agency, sending his nomination to the floor for a vote by the full Senate
Fran.
Hahaha! I love it! Thanks :D
My hair sure will look funny sticking out from under it- very unflattering.
Doesn't it come in different styles?
Is that troll back here again?
Get a life man.
Jan: ignore the troll... IT has an interesting way of taking care of those nascient creatures.
:)
...Just ask SPB -- she'll concur.
I think General Charles Hayden is the right man for the job. It is about time the military got more involved in this country and I really hope he does not cave in and quit the army while he runs the CIA. I think he will instill some discipline into that booze fed organization. Crack the whip is what it needs.
People respect men in uniforms and this will really let the American public know who is in charge. I would like to see the president wear a uniform too. Something with a lot of medals on it and lots of stars. People will stand up and salute I guarantee it.
I would like to see more influence by religious leaders like Falwell and Robertson in the government. I think there should be a permanent position in the cabinet for a National religious Leader. Billy Graham is too old but he would have been perfect.
I also think that everything the president does should be classified. See how many problems an open society creates. Out of sight, out of mind I always say.
"Is that troll back here again?"
I wonder if he is related?
Yes, let's classify EVERYTHING the president does as you say.. that way we're surely on our way to the 12th century .. a vast improvement.
Yes, exactly. All power controlled behind doors and the general populous be damned. Constitution? out the window. Bill of Rights -- shred it -- PRONTO.
That way we're able to be in a 'closed' dictatorship and well FREE society be damned.
What hole did you eminate from.
Please go back there and quickly.
Yes, let's classify EVERYTHING the president does as you say.. that way we're surely on our way to the 12th century .. a vast improvement.
Yes, exactly. All power controlled behind doors and the general populous be damned. Constitution? out the window. Bill of Rights -- shred it -- PRONTO.
Yes, precisely. This American experiment with freedom is overblown and has caused numerous problems. Remember, progress is getting things to work as well as they used to and the 12th century would be a good place to revisit.
I think a good Inquisition or Auto da fe is in order. I hope Hayden thinks like I do.
Charles @ 7:01 - I couldn't agree with you more about being grateful to PJF for this blog.
Also, Anon @ 12:05 re Ego sickness. We sure have a lot to learn.
D
well that was fun, someone from Homeland security (the real one told me to get rid of the post regarding the test Iran did yesterday. Got rid of the one on my blog but can't find where I posted it on this...bush is listening, use big words
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