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What's new?
posted by Patrick J. Fitzgerald at 6/11/2006
Jun 11, 2006
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- Name: Patrick J. Fitzgerald
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Think Globally Prosecute Locally - I grew up in Flatbush, kept my nose clean, went to law school. Now that I am in Chicago and D.C. I have found that the rampant graft and corruption to be a travesty - a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. ---Favorite quote --- "Conditional love is an oxymoron." - Yours truly
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We've missed you, Fitz. Hope you're well and enjoying this beautiful DC morning (yep, some of us actually live here). Or maybe Chicago morning . .wherever.
Top of the morning/afternoon/evening Fitzbloggers:
Happy Sunday!
What's new?
Well, I watching that Dallas Mavericks/Miami Heat game today. Go Dallas! Today will be a great day!
"What's new?" - Fitz, I thought YOU'd tell us.
As far as the Guantanamo prison, it will hopefully be closed in the near future and all the prisoners released since they were captured during an illegal war.
D
May tomorrow's hearing go well!
We're all ooking forward to reading the transcripts.
Ah payd 5 hunnert dollers last night tuh ett Mary Matalins chickun.
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Folks,
Here are today's news:
1. More on the Abramoff's connection to the Florida murder:
Abramoff Cohort Says SunCruz Killer Is Dead
"FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla., June 9 -- A man who bought a gambling-boat operation with lobbyist Jack Abramoff in 2000 says he knows who gunned down the company's founder the following year, authorities said."
"Adam Kidan told authorities last month that SunCruz Casinos founder Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis was killed by John Gurino, a man with mob connections who was later shot to death by a business partner, said Art Carbo, an investigator with the Broward County State Attorney's office."
"Carbo said Gurino -- a supporter of late mob boss John Gotti -- had not been part of the investigation before Kidan's May 1 interview. "He came up with all of this information," Carbo said Friday."
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2006%2F06%2F09%2FAR2006060901635_pf.html
Make sure that you mark on your calendar June 24: Orange jumpsuit day for Abramoff!
2. Hugh Chavez is preparing for a possible Gerbil invasion:
Chavez preps 'ragtag armies' in case US invades Venezuela
President Hugo Chavez is prepping his "ragtag armies" just in case the United States invades Venezuela, according to an article set for Sunday's New York Times, RAW STORY has found
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Chavez_preps_army_in_case_US_0610.html
I hope that the Gerbil doesn't dare to invade Chavez's territory!
3. Still haven't found what they were looking for:
From Thinkprogress:
The jury is still out on WMD in Iraq
"according to Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA). Weldon says he “knows of four sites…that have yet to be searched.”
Yup, and they never will be searched!
Finally, I read a piece on ABC about the upcoming closed hearing with the smurf and Fitz on Monday. That is why I don't read or follow ABC news on the internet. Jason Ryan says that there are "new clues in the ongoing investigation of Karl Rove may be revealed next week." Yup, trying to boost the readers with excitement on new development news. But I found this comment from a blogger on that site really
speaks for itself:
"The only question I need an answer for is, 'Why was anyone in the White House talking about Joe Wilson's wife for any reason?'"
Weldon, Weldon-I cannot believe he said that! He knows about Able Danger and still makes such ignorant comments about WMD.
What's next? Will he tell us the internet right-wing RUMOR they were shipped to Syria? One marine tried to tell me that-I told him he is referring to satellite photos of people leaving prior to the invasion of Baghdad. Shoulda seen the look on his face when I said "Not to mention, gaugeing by the level of resistance, don't you think if they had them, they would have USED them?"
I watched the light bulb go off in his head-and turned yet another GOPer away from the "dark side". "Only a Sith deals in absolutes"
SPB, are there any other Sealed v. Sealed cases-now open-that we look to for reference about how these cases work? Or are they sealed forever? If they have sealed it for the reasons I think they have (national security) is there any other way to quickly oust them-short of sending in the Marines?
I am doing teach-in for CCR in my area for impeachment to begin on a local level.
But I want to see some action;-)
Nan, I couldn't agree more-and once again msm is claiming it was a "political ploy" for people with no way out to get out of prison. The no charges, no court no accountibility bothers me everyday...why not make facsism offical? ARG!
T:
All sealed documents are not available to the public. Now, a judge can order a conviction sealed under court rule but mainly for minors. A case I can think of is the case of the 14 year old in Florida who murdered a 9 year old girl. Now, the young boy was tried as an adult but he was a minor at the time.
All the court docket of closed cases sealed information or pending cases are available to the public and to the court. You can call your Superior Court and ask for the cases that they have. I think that there are many of the bloggers are getting confused over what is a sealed document vs unsealed document..
SPB,
I read that same comment on the ABC article. Along with the response by Frank which said that if we knew who sent her and what their agenda was, we would know the answer to that question.
I tried to answer that with this response (twice) but it is not showing up there:
"Perhaps the ultimate agenda was the (successfully accomplished) DESTRUCTION of our Iranian WMD intelligence network.
Since the intelligence community did not exactly support the administration in the runup to the Iraqui war. it is not likely that they would later be offering justification for an attack on Iran.+
"Perhaps the ultimate agenda was the (successfully accomplished) DESTRUCTION of our Iranian WMD intelligence network."
"Since the intelligence community did not exactly support the administration in the runup to the Iraqui war. it is not likely that they would later be offering justification for an attack on Iran."
You are right, Anon! But, you know that ABC wouldn't put your comments. Truth hurts! They would pick and choose what comments to put on their website. I know my comments about the Wall Street Opinion Journal about Libby's case was never posted on their website. I had some really choice words.
"Adam Kidan told authorities last month that SunCruz Casinos founder Konstantinos "Gus" Boulis was killed by John Gurino, a man with mob connections who was later shot to death by a business partner, said Art Carbo, an investigator with the Broward County State Attorney's office""
AND JOHN isnt talking.Rather a quick way to sentence someone-dont you think?
Faster,cheaper and more economical then the legal way.And of course, if it is to be believed--case closed by SP COLT45
Hmmm.. I went back to MSNBC story about the Libby's case on Monday. This is what struck me is Judge Reggie Walton's discussion of one of the issues: "Whether the government will be asserting any claims of executive privilege."
Law 101: What is Executive Privilege folks?
"Executive privilege is a claim asserted by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to justify withholding of documents and information from other branches of government. As Presidents since George Washington and Thomas Jefferson have argued, the separation of powers embodied in the United States Constitution implies that each branch will be permitted to operate within limits free to some degree from the control or supervision of the other."
"The Supreme Court addressed the executive privilege in United States v. Nixon, the 1974 case involving the demand by Watergate special prosecutor Leon Jaworski that Richard Nixon produce the audiotapes of conversations in the Oval Office of the White House in connection with criminal charges being brought against members of the Nixon Administration. Nixon invoked the privilege and refused to produce any records."
"The Court did not, on the other hand, accept Nixon's privilege argument on the facts of that case. Because Nixon had asserted only a generalized need for confidentiality, the Court held that the larger public interest in obtaining the truth in the context of a criminal prosecution took precedence."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege
Here is the US vs. Nixon case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Nixon
Now, I mention that only the PRESIDENT has executive privliege. It tells you how the Gerbil alters the word "Presidential Power" in his Presidency to a large extent to allow Girlfriday to tell the 9/11 commission that she has executive privilege as the National Security Adviser and allow Darth Cheney executive privilege not to reveal any of conversations in the Enron meetings between him and Kenny Boy AND allow Cheney to declassify and classify documents at will!
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"Faster,cheaper and more economical then the legal way.And of course, if it is to be believed--case closed by SP COLT45"
What a way to close a case by blaming the dead guy. And the dead guy can't plead his case! Sounds like the one-armed bandit defense..
SPB, I thought that was one of the things Bush changed...that Cheney could declassify want he wanted.
top of the morning to all
Well we can look forward to the show down with Fitz-team vs Libby-team. Now if memory serves me right all these motions were decided during the Watergate trial. So many cases and investigations are going on now. Questions about Iraq and new names coming out as corrupt. The old tricks aren't working anymore and the media can't front the White House's lies with a straight face. We are losing more and more respect from other countries. Enough is enough we need to clean our own house before dictating to others.
Is it just me? Or am I having a bad hair day because I read the AP artical about the three suicides at Guantanamo? specificly; the part where Dubya said:
"We would like to end the Guantanamo -- we'd like it to be empty," Bush said. But he added: "There are some that, if put out on the streets, would create grave harm to American citizens and other citizens of the world. And, therefore, I believe they ought to be tried in courts here in the United States."
Bush said his administration was waiting for the Supreme Court to rule whether he overstepped his authority in ordering the detainees to be tried by U.S. military tribunals. "We're waiting on our Supreme Court to act," he said.
This kind of Neoconservative logic makes me feel like a porcupine...
Who is watching the store? With so much information being stolen and/or lost, makes one wonder how anyone can trust any source of data storage of ANY of our information?
Jun 11, 2006 10:02 am US/Mountain
Denver Election Office Loses Voter Information
Personal Information On 150,000 Missing
(AP) DENVER Records with Social Security numbers, addresses and other personal information on more than 150,000 people are missing at city election offices, and officials are trying to determine if the files were lost, moved or stolen.
The Denver Election Commission is also trying to figure out why officials didn't learn the records were missing until June 1, even they are believed to have disappeared nearly four months earlier.
http://rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fcbs4denver.com%2Ftopstories%2Flocal_story_161120530.html
Hi geezerpower
I was thinking about that article too. I learned that none of the men being held are charged with anything yet. Their just held in a 2 by 4. I wonder what kind of country leaves people in jail for over 4 years with no contact with the outside world and no future to leave. Some countries bargined for their people and they were released and then had trials in there countries all were set free. They were part of the terrorist group Bush is talking about. Let's face it our govenment just picked up people who were Arab and put them in jail without knowing anything about them. What scares me is now that we have done this other countries can do it to us. Bush has made this international crime of torture/jailed for life without a trial legal. I remember out past wars and without international help our troops would have never been able to come home. We are letting Bush get away with war crimes and murder.
"Faster,cheaper and more economical then the legal way."
Very fishy seeing that 2 NYC mobsters have been charged already with the murder. Their cell phone calls minutes after the crime are incriminating plus much more.
Abramoff and gang have been proven to have met for a meeting on one of the boats 3 days after the killing.
Something like that anyway. :)
SPB... the ironic part of Walton's query is that by the government, he is referring to the Prosecutor and team who represent the US government in the case. Essentially he will be asking "the government" if the highest level of government is going to cooperate by releasing information or serving as a witness.
Where is that one top dog that was to have planned 9/11, that they arrested in the middle of the night? Sorry, don't know his name, the big, hairy one? (I'm a ditz.)
If he was to have planned it...why would he not be tried in the United States? In a U.S. court?
Bet he left on a jet plane, eh?
Hi All :)
Teak, I know who you are talking about- that guy that looked like Ron Jeremy. I can't remember his name either. Yea, why hasn't he been in our courts?... hmmmm.
The "big hairy one's" name is Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.
I don't know where he's napping these days.
"Essentially he will be asking 'the government' if the highest level of government is going to cooperate by releasing information or serving as a witness." Sounds like there will be talks about national security. Hmmm. This certainly will be put the "highest level of government" in a pickle. It puts that "highest level of government" in the spotlight and in a dilemma. Thanks for sharing that thought...
Teak,
The Gerbil has to get authority from Congress which will change the Constitution. That is in Article 2 in the Constitution. Go to http://www.wikipedia.org and type in the Constitution and read what is in Article 2 which talks about the Executive Power of the President.
is that then seal vs seal?
gov. vs gov.?
Here is a thought: what if Fitz has proof that the Gerbil and company, were caught by V.Plame and company, planting WMD in Iraq.
You think that might put something heavy on the administrations plate...
The bloggers convention in Las Vegas was taped and they are playing Friday's program on C-Span now, for those who missed it. Talking about the CIA Leak.
SPB says:
"From Thinkprogress:
The jury is still out on WMD in Iraq
'according to Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA). Weldon says he “knows of four sites…that have yet to be searched.'"
Well SPB, that's kind of like OJ searching for Nicole...
Hello Bloggers -- I'm finally got home this afternoon, and it's great to be back at the Justice blog with everyone. I've got some reading to do...too much corruption these days...
"You think that might put something heavy on the administrations plate..."
Answer: Yes!
And the Gerbil will have that bottle handy for comfort in that mess!
correction:
Well SPB, that's kind of like OJ searching for Nicole's murderer...
"Well SPB, that's kind of like OJ searching for Nicole." Well, it sounds like "Who shot J.R.? That's sound nice for Weldon to say that. If Weldon knows so much, why don't the Gerbil send him out there to find those so-called WMD in those 4 sites!
Chimpcoulter,
I know what you meant.. If ever O.J. finds Nicole Brown Simpson's murderer, ask O.J. if he can locate the Gerbil's brain? 'Cause I want to know! King Gerbil's brain has been missing since he crawled in the WH from the 2000-2004 Stolen Presidency.
Roger,
The more that the Gerbil and company are exposed and the house of cards fall the more that the dots are connected from the all of the lies that King Gerbil told on his throne from election fraud to political favors to money trail to 9/11 to Iraq and so on. All will come into a full circle real soon...
Joe Wilson's speech on CSPAN was impressive......first time I've heard him speak on the CIA leak investigation.
"The Rule of Law will be successfully implemented."
--Joe Wilson 6/9/06
s-q thanks for that great news, I hadn't heard about Joe Wilson's speech!!:-)
Ditto 8:18. I hope he never shuts up, once this is over ;-)
Folks if I remember correctly Ken Starr petitioned the Supreme Court to force Clinton to testify in the Lewinski and/or Jones scandal and for his WH counsel also. I believe the decision was he had to testify and the counsel worked for the people and there was no lawyer/client privilege. Ken Starr may have done a lot of work for Fitz. The precedent is there.
"Folks if I remember correctly Ken Starr petitioned the Supreme Court to force Clinton to testify in the Lewinski and/or Jones scandal and for his WH counsel also. I believe the decision was he had to testify and the counsel worked for the people and there was no lawyer/client privilege." And it would be amazing if history repeats itself. Would is it be interesting if the Gerbil President testify in the little soldier's trial? It's not far fetched.. Makes you wonder what the Gerbil told Fitz (not under oath) in that 70 minute interview? It would be nice if King Gerbil was petitioned to testify in the smurf's trial like Clinton was petitioned to tesify in the Lewinski's scandal...
A sergeant who led a squad of Marines during the incident in Haditha, Iraq, that left as many as 24 civilians dead said his unit did not intentionally target any civilians, followed military rules of engagement and never tried to cover up the shootings, his attorney said.
Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told his attorney that several civilians were killed Nov. 19 when his squad went after insurgents who were firing at them from inside a house. The Marine said there was no vengeful massacre, but he described a house-to-house hunt that went tragically awry in the middle of a chaotic battlefield.
"It will forever be his position that everything they did that day was following their rules of engagement and to protect the lives of Marines," said Neal A. Puckett, who represents Wuterich in the ongoing investigations into the incident. "He's really upset that people believe that he and his Marines are even capable of intentionally killing innocent civilians."
http://rawstory.com/
showoutarticle.php?src
=http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp-dyn/content/article/
2006/06/10/AR2006061001129_pf.html
The leader of this group sure seems different then the rest of the group speaking out, I wonder. Has the story changed again and will there be a cover-up?
Final Posting:
From Americablog:
Specter claims (again) he's going to get tough on domestic spying
by Joe in DC - 6/11/2006 08:03:00 PM
How many times can Specter cry wolf? It sure gets Arlen on the Sunday shows, but as soon as someone from the White House barks at him, Specter always backs off:
The Senate Judiciary Committee chairman says he's prepared to force telephone company executives to testify about the White House's eavesdropping program if the Bush administration doesn't fully cooperate in drafting new rules on what's allowable.
"If we don't get some results, I'm prepared to go back to demand hearings and issue subpoenas if necessary," Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said Sunday on CNN's "Late Edition."
Specter 's action sounds like the defintion of insanity. I will believe that when I see that from Specter. Action speaks louder than words. The Gerbil pushes the remore control button on lapdog Specter to sit down and roll over anytime the Gerbil pleases. It is time for to look another apllicant for the position the Senate Judiciary Committee. If the Hammer can get nailed, so can Specter.. Specter needs to go. I think golfing is calling out for him!
Good night, folks! And best of luck Fitz tomorrow in court!
And go Dallas! Signing off!
Sir Fitz :D
Have a great day tomorrow! I'll be sending you very postive thoughts :)
Hey Fitz:
Rattle some cages tomorrow! :)
Specter lashing out to Cheney in that letter was like Mortimer Snerd arguing with Edgar Bergen.
Well, this looks like a better thread for my chuckles and concerns:
This is a "truthiness" excercise, right? First, I am raising a brow at the pretense of this being the actual blog of "Patrick J. Fitzgerald
U.S. Attorney On Assignment - WDC" -
IF it is, that's being a really cool guy, but I see no mention at the real web site at DOJ , announced by the media at WaPo announcement
Really, I'm surprised you didn't get some flack from the Feds etc. for the pretense - assuming that's what it is (yeah, I know: "To assume makes an a-s-s out of u and me.")
What's up with the "06 cr 128" "Sealed v. Sealed" indictment prattled about at Truthout by Leopold and apologists? Do you know anything about that? If you aren't really the Fitz, maybe you are fooling some gullible folks over there? That Rove thing keeps dragging on and on, with hemming and hawing...
Where's our frog-march?
PS - Is something, really, going to happen tomorrow? Does tomorrow (like Friedman's six months) ever come?
Ah am thuh reel Slingblade.
If anyone cares, al-Zarqawi got tattoed during a short, wilder time in his life which also included a little time on the bottle. Then, he got religion. So, he got targeted after at least one informant tipped off the U.S. I hope whoever was the informer is far away and his (I'm guessing the person was male) family is safe, too. It will be much more difficult to find an informer willing to give up bin Laden, which is why he is still running loose. Or, the U.S. will 'magically' find him in late October in 2006 (or 2008) right before the elections.
I got stuck watching CNN in a hotel in Canada for way too many hours. They kept showing al-Zarqawi's dead face over and over. I do not want to see anyone's dead face like that repeatedly. As evidence that he is dead, it can be shown once and then placed on the CNN Web site for confirmation. Showing his dead head too many times even within the same 30-minute segment then weakens any complaints about the Arab news and Internet sites showing beheadings.
If anyone in the U.S. thought we had a monopoloy on strict new laws based in fearful paranoia, the Canadians are running a good second place. In Monday's "National Post" newspaper, there was an article that Canadian authorities can also hold suspected terrorists indefinitely through something called security certificates, without any charges (and have been doing so already with folks being held since 2002). Judges can then meet in secret to decide what to do with those folks.
The last time I checked, and I know someone here will correct me, war crimes can be tried at the World Court in The Hague. If the U.S. has nothing to hide and is completely innocent of everything that goes on in Iraq (especially Haditha), then ship a few people to The Hague for trial instead of having a U.S.-only trial. Like *that* will ever happen!!!!
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